The American Age Is Over

(theatlantic.com)

14 points | by cisc 2 hours ago

7 comments

  • glimshe 1 hour ago
    This article is 56 years late.

    "The End of the American Era" was published in 1970:

    https://www.amazon.com/End-American-Era-Andrew-Hacker/dp/B00...

    There were many other books/articles/documentaries with the same doom-and-gloom published since.

    I think most people don't understand America. So maybe an immigrant like me can help: the United States isn't an enduring superpower because it's an eternal and permanent amazing place free of problems. Its unique power of self-healing and course correction, combined with its plentiful resources and human capital, is what makes it great. When everything seems lost, when everybody says "this time is different, it's the big one that will end America", our system finds a way out.

    I won't argue about whether the current administration and wars are good or bad. I'll just say that we'll overcome, like we always did, our problems.

    • bryanlarsen 58 minutes ago
      There are two very different positions:

      - America will stop being a superpower

      - America will stop being the superpower, the only one

      There was a point after the fall of the Berlin wall and before China joined the WTO (and for an indeterminate number of years after) where America's status as the sole superpower was indisputable.

    • jareklupinski 47 minutes ago
      > Its unique power of self-healing and course correction is what makes it great

      is it because each batch of immigrants is always rehabilitating it :3

      (second gen)

    • throwfaraway4 55 minutes ago
      Agreed. We've been in much much worse positions in the past. We will fix ourselves and _hopefully_ learn from our mistakes.
      • JohnFen 50 minutes ago
        It will take generations, if it's even possible, for the US to recover its standing in the eyes of the world, and that standing was the core of our power.

        "Fixing ourselves" is critical, but just the first step. There's a huge amount of additional work after that.

    • gamessucknow 49 minutes ago
      > the United States isn't an enduring superpower because it's an eternal and permanent amazing place free of problems.

      It’s a sad age when I can’t tell if OP is hyperbolic or just actually that retarded.

  • dmm 1 hour ago
    "you aren't going to like what comes after America "

    - Leonard Cohen https://genius.com/Leonard-cohen-what-is-coming-21603-annota...

    • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
      You're probably right, but it doesn't have to be. The news today about Canada and the EU is heartening.
  • dopple 1 hour ago
    It only took twice electing a mendacious and profoundly dangerous buffoon to bring about the end of American hegemony. Good riddance.
    • polonbike 1 hour ago
      The same was said about W. Also elected twice. We then saw 8golden years, before the orange president. So I would wait a bit before being able to say "good riddance, everything will be ok now, USA is saved"
      • cowboylowrez 1 hour ago
        Yeah, wierd how much better W's administration looks when compared to you know who.
      • mcphage 48 minutes ago
        > The same was said about W. Also elected twice.

        Well, he certainly gave it the ol' college try—and it did take quite a while to recover from his presidency.

      • cpburns2009 1 hour ago
        Ah yes, the golden age of extrajudical assassinations of American citizens, forever wars, the rise of the surveillance state, imprisonment of journalists amd whistle blowers, and the deterioration of race relations. Tell me more of this golden age.
      • pragmatic 1 hour ago
        Eh?

        Forever wars, the Patriot Act and a financial crises that took years to recover from under another president?

  • cjs_ac 1 hour ago
    The European empires were commercial ventures, extracting raw materials for the workshops and factories at home. These empires were already weakening in the nineteenth century, because social changes at home meant that practices like slavery were no longer acceptable, thus increasing the cost of administering the colonies, and decreasing profitability. The solution was what we now call the rules-based order, and means that European-style legal systems control business across borders, so armed force need not be used to enforce contracts. It also pooled all the European empires into one system, so everyone could buy resources from anywhere, and the local elites (like my ancestors) who once had to be bought off can become corrupt politicians, so the West can disclaim any responsibility.

    The MAGA movement's foreign policy forsakes this extraordinarily convenient system for the older system of explicit, militarily-defended empires. It brings the US into conflict with every power that matters in the world except Russia. The US will have to spend an awful lot on the Department of War to maintain its economic exclusivity arrangements, of the sort it is currently building with Venezuela. Theodore Roosevelt said, 'Speak softly and carry a big stick,' but MAGA has chosen to scream into the void about how big its stick is instead.

    • paleotrope 59 minutes ago
      "The solution was what we now call the rules-based order, and means that European-style legal systems control business across borders, so armed force need not be used to enforce contracts."

      I wonder how Europe got there? Maybe they all decided to talk through their problems.

      • cjs_ac 57 minutes ago
        The rules-based order was first proposed in late Victorian Britain, as part of a wider debate as to how the British Empire should evolve, but yes, the World Wars made the idea a lot more attractive to much more of the world.
  • MarkWayneNewton 1 hour ago
    The fire of the Empire is beautiful at night.
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  • pregnenolone 1 hour ago
    What a bunch of nonsense.