Goodbye Google

(robert.ocallahan.org)

145 points | by Murmuring9087 2 hours ago

34 comments

  • BLKNSLVR 46 minutes ago
    The more people leaving 'because AI' just makes me sad that there have been so few leaving 'because advertising'.
    • jader201 4 minutes ago
      While I get the spirit of your message, advertising has been around for over a century, and I don’t believe it has done near the damage to society over that timespan that AI will likely do in a decade (or may have already done).

      I also don’t believe addiction and other psychological exploits are used for the sole purpose of ad revenue. There are other more direct forms of monetization involved, such as microtransactions and subscriptions.

      If you really want to blame something, it really all comes down to one word:

      Greed.

    • aenis 41 minutes ago
      Spot on. Or because of addictiveness. Or impact on democracy. Or ruining people's ability to focus on anything. Those attention grabbing algos havent been designed by non-technical people.
    • thinkingemote 33 minutes ago
      He's not even leaving "because AI". He's literally leaving to focus more on AI stuff.

      > I plan to study how AI agents debug code and whether debugging tools that can make them more effective at that.

      > I want to use AI agents to bring some of my hobby project ideas to life.

      > I’m keen to reap the benefits of AI

      and addresses the anti-AI view:

      > AI detractors think that AI won’t really work. I think it will. (ed. for brev)

      The main reason then is the concern of the velocity of the rollout and the increased pervasiveness of AI. Too fast, too much.

      • roca 21 minutes ago
        I could have explained that better, but it was already getting too long.

        Personally if I could Thanos-snap AI out of existence I would, but as long as it exists, it seems better on balance to make good use of it where possible than just try to ignore it.

        "Focusing more on AI stuff" ... not really? Of course I was using AI a lot in my work at Google, as well as contributing to AI acceleration. Now I won't be contributing to acceleration and I can be as cautious as I want to be about using it.

        • thinkingemote 12 minutes ago
          I'm trying to think of a kind of metaphor from the past?

          Like a machinist who made machine cogs for (amongst other machinery) the new fabric looms who noticed that he was making more wheels for more and more looms and wants to stop that job and instead become a cottage clothes maker using the new fabric available in the shops.

    • wseqyrku 6 minutes ago
      When the both ends of your platform continue buying and selling you tend to not stand in the way. I personally can't believe these stupid ads sell anything at all. Since they call it a 'business model' software people don't think about it too much.
    • codeduck 43 minutes ago
      Advertising is an irritation. AI is a threat.
      • BLKNSLVR 35 minutes ago
        Advertising has the appearance of representing an on-going revenue source for an increasing number of devices used in our daily lives by way of surveillance and creation of a picture of an individuals habits and psychology in order to manipulate said psychology to induce the individual to spend more money on literally worthless shit.

        That is a threat to the fundamental stability of society.

      • hypfer 19 minutes ago
        The dire state most western democracies have found themselves in is a direct consequence of the work big tech did over the last 15+ years.

        AI is concerning in some aspects, yes, but the loss of a shared reality has nothing to do with that, and is even more scary.

      • Lammy 42 minutes ago
        Advertising is surveillance, and surveillance is a threat.
        • ozgung 18 minutes ago
          Correct, but advertising was a better disguise for surveillance. AI goes well beyond surveillance and many evil use cases are now obvious to more people.
        • King-Aaron 39 minutes ago
          Are you inferring that AI is not a surveillance tool?
          • s900mhz 35 minutes ago
            I don’t think that’s what he meant. They both are surveillance tools. He’s just upset only one of those is making people advertise their leave in protest.
      • smugglerFlynn 27 minutes ago
        It’s funny how the [very real] thing that normalizes the exploitation of user data, enables “reel casinos,” suffocates creators and replaces them with “influencers,” etc. is compared with the [still very abstract] danger of AI.

        Even before big money was on the table, people didn’t blink an eye at starting to work for Google/Facebook, “solving fun tasks.”

        • roca 10 minutes ago
          (OP here) FWIW I despise the addictiveness, er engagement optimization that Google and others do. I have said so inside and outside the company many, many times. I would never have agreed to work on that stuff myself. One of the hobby projects I would like to work on is exploring how to use personal AI to beat those algorithms.

          I respect the argument for not working for a company that does addictiveness work anywhere, even if you don't work on it yourself. But that's not where I drew the line.

          Also FWIW I disagree the danger of AI is abstract. A lot is happening right now, in education for example.

      • swiftcoder 34 minutes ago
        > Advertising is an irritation

        I think it's worse than that. Or at least, the products that have been built because of advertising are worse than that. Instagram/TikTok/Facebook are all ultimately just surfaces to serve ads, but they've wormed their way into their users' consciousness in fairly insidious ways

      • jimmaswell 8 minutes ago
        AI is a threat if you're a messy codebase, an unsolved math problem, or cancer. Otherwise you only have an improved quality of living to look forward to IMO.
      • scotty79 28 minutes ago
        Advertising turned brains of entire generation (or maybe a few) into mush.

        All intellectual, psych and social scores are in free fall since introduction of ad-supported attention grabbing internet.

        AI is theorethical threat. Advertising is a constant detriment to our brains, societies and culture.

        If AI can mitigate a fraction of the damage that ads do it will have massive positive impact.

        We live in times where everyone can pick their own flavor of apocalypse to be scared of. Ads are leading us into Idiocracy since ~2004 and made huge progress towards it.

        Google and Meta's wealth came at the cost of civilization getting sucked dry of its attention and mental capacity.

  • injidup 45 minutes ago
    Why is uncertainty about the motives of one form of superintelligence terrifying, whilst, at the same time, uncertainty about the motives of another, omnipotent supernatural intelligence comforting? i.e. the “I don’t know God’s plan, but I sleep well knowing He has one” line of reasoning.
    • monideas 8 minutes ago
      They’re related psychological phenomena (also highly related is going to be your perception of and relationship with your own father). This is why an understanding of the goodness of G-d is important to cultivate.

      It should also be noted that it says in Genesis that G-d promises not to destroy the world ever again like He did with the flood. This is important psychologically because it prevents this type of apocalyptic millenarianist thinking.

    • Joeri 14 minutes ago
      Even aside from how aligned the plan is with us, what about how aligned we are with the plan?

      I’m always intrigued by the duality and conflict of “I have free will and must choose to act the right way” and “God has a plan so everything will be alright”.

      Either free will allows us to deviate from the plan, or the plan will always be carried out and free will doesn’t really matter in the end. Arguing for God’s plan as the thing that will save us is eerily similar to nihilism, because they’re really arguing none of our actions truly matter.

      • roca 2 minutes ago
        Yeah, it's an age-old question. My high-level answer is, God's plan will be done regardless of what I do, but my actions determine (at least from my point of view) whether I'm aligned with the plan or not. And I want to be aligned with the plan.
    • fwlr 38 minutes ago
      God’s been around for thousands of years and we are still here and flourishing, so obviously God is in some way “aligned”; the same cannot be said for AGI.

      edit: Guys, I said “in some way”, not “perfectly”.

      • simonh 35 minutes ago
        Survivorship bias. Ask all the humans that have died in horrific screaming agony, and saw everything they worked for turned to dust how well that was aligned with their interests.
      • mcv 12 minutes ago
        There's that, but also that if God exists, there's not anything we can do about it. About AI, we can. That gives us the responsibility to figure out the right direction.
      • asdfasgasdgasdg 35 minutes ago
        If god would allow the creation of an unaligned superintelligence, how aligned is he really?
      • unified101 11 minutes ago
        The lands and seas have been around before us, and will continue to flourish after us and everything we hold dear, like God.

        There's no alignment except the arrow of entropy.

      • bzzzt 36 minutes ago
        Tell that to all the heretics burned at the stake.
      • BLKNSLVR 23 minutes ago
        This little blue marble of Earth is an as-yet undiscovered anti-entropic bug in an otherwise accurately functioning entropy-respectingly beautiful wasteland of a universe.
    • chrismorgan 11 minutes ago
      > uncertainty about the motives of another, omnipotent supernatural intelligence

      It’s not uncertainty about the motives; those and the end state are clear. It’s just the details of how we get there (“God’s plan”) that aren’t clear.

    • makerofthings 43 minutes ago
      One of them is pretend and the other one probably won't be?
    • keane 24 minutes ago
      Christians believe that God is inherently good. “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you: that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.”
      • theGeatZhopa 12 minutes ago
        You have to differentiate between the old and the new testament in Bible. God is good and caring derived from the new testament where Jesus God's son ultimately died for all our sins.

        In the old testament God was hard and judging heartless, killing his creation through flood, wanting sacrifices, killed 1st borns, leveled two whole cities Sodom and Ghomora, and was in general an hardhearted God that you should fear.

        • monideas 6 minutes ago
          This is incorrect and very puerile (it’s theological slop) and even in a Christian frame this is known as Marcionism which is a heresy.
    • dist-epoch 13 minutes ago
      It's doubly funny because in AI accelerationist circles "Trust God's plan", or "Trust the plan" is also a thing: by definition God can't be surprised by anything that happens, thus the replacement of humans by AI is part of God's plan.
    • scotty79 27 minutes ago
      Yeah, his stance is deeply inconsistent in at least few places. I think he's just losing it.
  • negura 9 minutes ago
    > I’m also very concerned about other AI-related issues: cognitive surrender, AI-induced psychosis and loneliness, power concentration, economic disruption, cybersecurity, lack of accountability, and so on.

    I'm so bothered that we seem to have moved on from the ATTRIBUTION problem with LLMs. It just isn't on people's minds anymore, even tho it STILL is a big deal.

  • keithnz 7 minutes ago
    Sort of struggling to see an actual reason other than he doesn't like the pace of AI advancement? Also that his current job is very indirectly related to AI? Then somehow ties religion into it.
  • pu_pe 41 minutes ago
    We had people departing from OpenAI, Anthropic and now Google. The pace the frontier open letter was signed by over 1,000 experts. At which point do we believe the message?
    • keithnz 3 minutes ago
      keep in mind he doesn't work in AI but in creating tools for hardware design.
    • karahime 23 minutes ago
      Never, because it's not true. Multiple people saying the same thing doesn't cause it to become more true.
    • sowhat1 17 minutes ago
      When Astra and Fable stop making absolutely brain dead mistakes on simple tasks and not a moment sooner because I’m grounded in reality. Are you aware tech bros have been saying this same thing about every AI advancement since the 1950s? The reason being every AI researcher deep down wants to believe they’re God. This happens to also be why they’re some of the most insufferable people.
      • perching_aix 14 minutes ago
        > wants to believe they’re God

        Trope circa 1950 not true, because of trope circa even earlier...

    • worik 13 minutes ago
      Someone says that they believe there is a 0.1 probability of their worsening human life in a decade

      Then they say they are going to keep doing it...

      Forgive me for alerting you: they are liars

    • chlorion 23 minutes ago
      For me? When I see it. And not a moment sooner.

      There are trillions of dollars at stake here, do you think getting 1000 people on board is that difficult with this level of money? lol

    • monideas 17 minutes ago
      It’s completely meaningless their opinions on what the moral and sociological implications of AI are, if anything being an ML researcher sitting at Google is extremely anticorrelated with the type of sophistication and erudition needed to consider these things. At most what is valuable is their insight into the various scenarios possible in terms of capabilities or use cases.
  • teiferer 39 minutes ago
    For a resignation letter that is unusually detailed w.r.t. "what comes next?" It may not be uncommon to write why you leave, but the rest of that text does not read like what you send to HR to quit but what you send to your (soon to be ex-)coworkers afterwards.
    • roca 25 minutes ago
      Indeed, that message was for my coworkers. HR gets a form.
  • dao- 22 minutes ago
    > I definitely want my future work to be unambiguously pro-human.

    Stay away from the lucrative then? Why did you ever think it was a good idea to start at Google? I don't think Jesus would have approved ;)

    • worik 15 minutes ago
      I recall when Google was the exciting bleeding edge frontier

      Then came so much money, and by being chaotic evil even more money..

      Still makes me sad. I was so sweetly naive

      • dao- 4 minutes ago
        roc used to work for Mozilla though, and witnessed Google canabalizing us for Chrome in order to feed its ad business. Between then and now there has not been a time when it wasn't all about the money.
  • trilogic 22 minutes ago
    Well It seems like you may join us in our goal: Find a way to stop the progress or further development of it. Not that we are afraid, but we are fully aware of the progress escalation.
  • grahar64 56 minutes ago
    If you think humans are a net positive to be around, you wouldn't be spending trillions trying to build a machine to replace them; not just their work, but all aspects of their lives.
  • sowhat1 26 minutes ago
    > I’m also very concerned about other AI-related issues: cognitive surrender, AI-induced psychosis

    How's he so sure he's not already in both of these groups? His post about the AGI boogeyman sounds like it to me. Why is he bothering working on both of his projects if AGI is right around the corner anyways?

    • katzenq 7 minutes ago
      He's already psychotically devoted to another form of cognitive surrender.
  • jdub 1 hour ago
    Congratulations and commiserations.

    Perhaps a good thing to come out of these big companies over-indexing on "AI" is the liberation of creative minds. So many fantastic open source contributors have disappeared into corporate black holes...

  • katzenq 39 minutes ago
    Makes some important and objectively correct points and then completely blows any chance of looking sane or being taken seriously in the last paragraph. What exactly is your God forcing you to do, and how? Is the coming collapse not also part of his plan from your framework or is it only relevant when it's comforting?
    • worik 10 minutes ago
      You are missing the point of religion.

      It is not about objectivity or belief.

      It is about being.

  • bigyabai 1 hour ago
    > my team’s goal is ultimately to make AI much cheaper and lower-latency, and I don’t think that’s good for people right now

    I have a lot of bones to pick with Google's morality, but "democratizing the transformer and LLMs" is at the bottom of my list.

    • isodev 1 hour ago
      So far, 100% of things "democratized" by big tech have been bad for people.
      • doh 1 hour ago
        Anytime you use absolutes you paint yourself in a corner. Definitely not 100% of things that big tech "democratized", as you put it, has been bad for people.

        Presenting it as such does disservice to any serious conversation.

      • teiferer 44 minutes ago
        Interesting thing to write in a forum provided for free by big tech. Probably using a browser that big tech offers for free. On a phone or laptop purchased from big tech. Connected using networking gear and software made by big tech.

        All bad?

      • grahar64 54 minutes ago
        Very little "AI discovered cure for cancer" articles these days, more "10,000 workers let go, to be replaced with chat bots"
      • bigyabai 1 hour ago
        Oh, that's true. I just remembered that I hate Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Android, Gemma, Google Docs and free CalDAV syncing.

        Woe is me, victim of the 21st century separated from my true calling of paying for software.

        Edit (rate limited):

        > Does Gemma belong to this list?

        Yes, and Tensorflow too.

        • charamis 1 hour ago
          Does Gemma belong to this list? Not that impactful
        • speedstyle 34 minutes ago
          I for one would prefer to pay for services, than be psychologically manipulated into paying (more, on average) to other companies who are paying to make those services worse.
        • nvme0n1p1 1 hour ago
          There's no free lunch. You're paying one way or another.
          • doh 1 hour ago
            Welcome to the capitalism 101. Everything has price. So far, I would say, humanity done quite well under this _oppressive_ regime when compared with others.
  • ambivalence 42 minutes ago
    oh no, AI too powerful too quick. let me quit to work on tools to make AI better at debugging code.

    excellent logic, m'lord.

  • danpalmer 51 minutes ago
    As much as I cannot disagree more with the author's fundamental premise (religion), it is refreshing to see someone claim to have a belief and then follow through, change their behaviour to match their belief, at no small cost to themselves, and in pursuit of doing the right thing.
  • tgma 57 minutes ago
    You'd think AI doomerism is a new breed, but it's just the latest revision—and a lower IQ one at that—of Ted Kaczynski.
    • frotaur 54 minutes ago
      I think this take is extremely cynical and made in bad faith. Lots of dangers that are due to AI acceleration are raised by a very wide mix of experts, scientists, engineers and researchers.

      It is clearly incorrect to call it a conspiracy theory. You can be skeptical, as there is no clear consensus even among experts, but outright dismissal is simply an unscientific position.

      • neya 50 minutes ago
        As an aside, this was the most eloquent, professional, polite and concise disagreement on HN I've seen in decades. I genuinely aspire to have this level of class and character in public discourse. Bookmarking this comment as reference for the future :)
      • tgma 52 minutes ago
        I did not call it a conspiracy theory; not here at least. Have you even read what Ted Kaczynski has written? Perhaps you'd like some of it if you do. I bet he's also smarter than your average Anthropic employee.
        • mxkopy 51 minutes ago
          Even his writing is derivative of the Slandered Luddites
  • fnord77 52 minutes ago
    Not full of himself at all
  • bobajeff 1 hour ago
    I for one cannot be convinced that these companies saying they want to slow down AI progress is for the safety of mankind (or any other altruistic reason). However, I respect someone willing to give up a very comfortable career for his convictions.
    • vintermann 39 minutes ago
      That most people are sincere in their beliefs (in AI doom), as the author says and I think too, doesn't mean there aren't cult leader-types exploiting these beliefs. And their private beliefs may be quite different from their stated ones.
    • geraneum 1 hour ago
      I’d wait and see what happens next in their professional life. It’d be ironic if they founded a new AI startup or something like that.
      • roca 35 minutes ago
        That would be ironic! But there's no chance I'll work on anything that accelerates AI. If I was OK with that, I would not have left Google.

        I do expect to use AI in my work, as I indicated in my blog post. I haven't (yet?) reached the point where I consider that anathema...

      • teiferer 41 minutes ago
        I don't get these comments. If he got paid way above his needs for a while he can easily retire already if he continues to keep his expenses in check, and take on a position in his church. Pays with happiness, not money, though if he has enough of the latter he can focus on maximize the former.
  • jacobgold 49 minutes ago
    > I really enjoyed the work, and for a while I told myself it was relatively harmless, but over time God forced me to confront the reality that the main impact of these tools will be to accelerate the design of a new breed of AI chips...

    There's no arguing with someone who claims God forced them to do something, but I do wish this person good luck in whatever they do next.

    • reticulates 44 minutes ago
      God, your conscience, it’s all the same.
      • vconnor 19 minutes ago
        It definitely is not. You’ll find that people that call it God never put it into question as one would their conscience.

        Few things are as indicative of mental instability than someone believing God is speaking to them directly. The schizophrenic ward is full of these.

  • kylehotchkiss 1 hour ago
    respect for choosing your faith over your work man! I'm trying to find the intersection of my faith and the new tech too. Feel free to email if you ever wanna chat it out.
  • gbriel 50 minutes ago
    Thanks for living your values. I might not fully agree but I appreciate people whose convictions are genuine and altruistic.

    Sometimes people use the "Yet you participate in society" meme as a shield for blatant hypocrisy, like a Marxist-Leninist Twitch streamer who lives in a multi-million Hollywood mansion, drives a Porsche and wears thousand dollar pants.

  • heinternets 1 hour ago
    Is it consuming too much science fiction that has people thinking like this?
    • bananaflag 1 hour ago
      Is it consuming too little science fiction that has people thinking like this?
      • hanspagel 47 minutes ago
        I’m convinced it has something to do with science fiction.
    • cromka 1 hour ago
      The guy was an insider for years but you call him a noob who just read a fantasy book?
      • fnord77 53 minutes ago
        Blake Lemoine was an insider...
    • King-Aaron 1 hour ago
      I think the scepticism and gaslighting of people sounding the alarm over the trajectory of AI is concerning. This feels like a case of "knowing better" than the actual people involved in the projects.

      You might be right. You might be wrong. But being overly confident on a topic you're a spectator to is possibly not the right choice.

      • iaaan 44 minutes ago
        IMO it's really not hard to extrapolate where this all ends up if you've read e.g. Das Kapital, and even if you haven't...
        • King-Aaron 40 minutes ago
          Yep. In fact you just have to look at the people running these AI companies and listen to their own words, they are not painting a positive outcome for their own businesses.
    • danpalmer 54 minutes ago
      The religion part or the AI criticism part?
  • fithisux 29 minutes ago
    "The most important thing I’m confident about is that the Jesus of the Bible is real and therefore God has a plan that’s good for us"

    The post resonates with me and the author shows the way.

    • scotty79 18 minutes ago
      Wasn't God's plan to basically end humanity at some point while sentencing a good portion of us to eternal torture?

      Is that all that different from what people fear AI might do?

      Why the one makes people feel elation and the other dread?

  • jmyeet 30 minutes ago
    There are two major categories of AI doomerism.

    The first is that AI will actuallly the world Skynet-style. I actually consider this unlikely. People are unlikely to completely remove people from the decisions to launch nuclear missiles, for example. Look at the Soviet/Russian design for Dead Hand [1], as one example.

    The second is that AI destroys so many jobs that society falls apart. This is the far more problematic and likely scenario (IMHO). To put this in context, I see two general outcomes for AI:

    1. AI will be used for further widen the inequality gap as the already ultra-wealthy will get, well, more wealthy, for literally no reason. This is the outcome where you still need a job to survive but a whole bunch of them disappear and aren't replaced. The world of The Expanse was kind of like this (on Earth); or

    2. AI makes everyone's lives easier so less work needs to be done. Crappy jobs get automated. People in general get more leisure time and quality of life.

    I believe (1) is far more likely at this stage and it's not going to be pretty. But this is an issue of economics not technology. Put another way: our society isn't structured to handle this change. Put yet another way: no amount of guardrails or slowdowns on AI will solve the fundamental issue of wealth distribution. And put even yet another way: this is capitalism vs socialism.

    We have a preview of what this looks like when you compare the US to China.

    The US has crumbling infrastructure, has lost the ability to manufacture everything but weapons and about 1000 people are insanely wealthy while everyone else are struggling to survive while AI systems drive up the cost of everything necessary to live like food and housing through demand pricing. We now spend over $1 trillion a year on a military to essentially siphon money to those 1000 from everyone else.

    And what's China done? It's invested in infrastructure and its people. China's vision for AI isn't to maximize shareholder value at all costs. It will be strictly regulated so society as a whole gets to benefit.

    So while I can respect people such as this author leaving on principle, I think they're still focusing on the wrong problem.

    [1]: https://www.military.com/history/russias-dead-hand-soviet-bu...

    • jquery 1 minute ago
      This should be at the top. I’ve been arguing this for months, that the issue of AI acceleration is an economic problem, not a tech one. That’s why the Chinese aren’t so afraid of it, compared to Americans who have zero faith their government will do anything to redistribute wealth from the future AI trillionaires.
    • seanmcdirmid 24 minutes ago
      > And what's China done? It's invested in infrastructure and its people. China's vision for AI isn't to maximize shareholder value at all costs. It will be strictly regulated so society as a whole gets to benefit.

      China is not in an ideal place right now, youth unemployment is way up, lots of dead end jobs, a 35 age employment limit that isn't just a meme. China has disparate visions for AI but maximizing owner (erm, sort of like shareholder) value is definitely one of them. Don’t get me wrong, China could get this right in the end, but it’s not a forgone conclusion right now.

      • scotty79 13 minutes ago
        China at least has a demonstrable capacity that serve anything else than bottom line of shareholders. It is not perfect, but it at least has capacity for improvement.
  • nalekberov 1 hour ago
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    • cromka 58 minutes ago
      > or they don’t they understand that it’s mostly marketing stunt.

      Understanding implies having some factual information, proof, data, hard evidence. Meanwhile you frame your conspiracy theory as such and are surprised people don't see it the same way?

      • nalekberov 44 minutes ago
        AI being mostly marketing stunt is a conspiracy? If you fear that AI will take over, sorry, but you are already brainwashed.
    • Arainach 1 hour ago
      What's fearmongering? There's no claim that AI will destroy the world here - only a claim that cheap omnipresent AI will make most of society worse - which is hard to dispute.
      • stingraycharles 54 minutes ago
        And Google’s ad-driven money-making machine is making society worse as well, but OP had no problem with this.

        It’s a bit of a fad to do these things in the name of AI. I think it’s great OP chooses a more fulfilling life that will surely make them happier, but it feels a bit pretentious.

      • nalekberov 1 hour ago
        Wasn’t that clear from the very beginning?
    • mindwok 1 hour ago
      If someone did exist who was sincere and not fear-mongering, but was terrified of AI, what would their post need to look like for you to take it seriously?
      • nalekberov 1 hour ago
        If you think it’s wrong, just leave, who needs your fearmongering when it doesn’t even move the needle?

        Or you think, those scumbag billionaires will care more when people fear more?

        • mindwok 21 minutes ago
          I was asking what it'd need to look like, but you're suggesting they might be genuinely afraid but their voicing of this is not useful?

          If they were genuinely afraid, you'd prefer they stay silent?

        • goda90 52 minutes ago
          Do you think there's another planet people can leave to?
          • nalekberov 48 minutes ago
            What is the point you are trying to make?
            • goda90 37 minutes ago
              Your response to someone afraid of the implications of AI is to leave. But you can't just leave society, the economy, or the environment, all of which there are reasonable reasons to think AI will harm them.
  • _giorgio_ 1 hour ago
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    • nvme0n1p1 1 hour ago
      Ten years? Can you refresh my memory, what were the top LLMs in 2016?
    • hiddencost 1 hour ago
      IDK man, have you read the Bible? I don't think that's really the Jesus model laid out there.
  • felipelalli 1 hour ago
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    • cromka 56 minutes ago
      Who's doing that PR marketing here? Google? Who's the actor? Cui bono?
  • moezd 57 minutes ago
    Yet another "AI must be stopped" post... If you're burned out, just say so. Don't philosophise. No, we're not buying that your latest model can almost replace all software engineers. It's us working with the harnesses, adding guardrails etc that make this agentic world possible for everyone.
  • scotty79 36 minutes ago
    Are fears of AI anti-intellectualism 2.0 ?

    Why do people automatically associate intellectual capability with evil?

    Does American anti-intellectualism explain the difference in perception of AI by Americans and Chinese?

    • sicher 28 minutes ago
      I don't think many associate intellectual capability with evil. What many do, however, is associate serious risk with living alongside vastly more intelligent entities. Especially if those entities are not aligned with us.
    • hackyhacky 30 minutes ago
      > Why do people automatically associate intellectual capability with evil?.

      No intellectual capability, but non-human, inherently amoral intellectual capability that has already been proven act in hard-to-predict, illegal, and unethical ways. I think that's a very rational thing to be afraid of.

  • rvz 42 minutes ago
    This is not an airport.
    • Doctor_Fegg 41 minutes ago
      Sorry, you’re saying people shouldn’t be allowed to write about their career changes on (checks notes) their own blog?
  • JV00 58 minutes ago
    I would rather have killer robots then religious fanatics.
    • Bassilisk 5 minutes ago
      You might get both instead.
    • sschueller 55 minutes ago
      All in AI people are like religious fanatics...
    • kleiba2 49 minutes ago
      Not everyone who's religious is a fanatic.

      The reverse also holds, btw.

      • JV00 0 minutes ago
        This one clearly is if you just read the linked article
  • MrThoughtful 1 hour ago
    Isn't AI just the next step in the history of evolution?

    I have the feeling it is inevitable that a new species will take over Earth. Just as humans took over a hundred thousand years ago. Now a species even more capable of thinking is coming up.

    Thinking a million times faster. Knowing a million times more. Able to wrap its head around a million times more aspects at the same time.

    A strong effort to slow it down might slow it down a bit. But does that really make a difference? It's not like we can "brace" ourselves from what is coming. Would the apes have been able to prepare for the arrival of humans if they had had 5 more years?

    • zorked 1 hour ago
      Well, if Robert O'Callahan reads your post, I am pretty positive he will think he made the right choice.
    • goda90 56 minutes ago
      There's no new species being created here. A tool has been made. Either humanity will wipe itself out using said tool, destroy the tool, or learn to live with the tool.
      • MrThoughtful 35 minutes ago
        Why do you object to the term "species"?

        It seems pretty capable of producing variations of itself. If these variations improve over time and roam earth - what is in your definition of "species" that is not met?

    • bryanrasmussen 59 minutes ago
      conceivably you could say humans took over 6000 years ago.

      At any rate it can't be a new step in the history of evolution, as AI did not evolve in the same way as other species did and AI is not a species nor alive.

    • charamis 56 minutes ago
      Would make me too uncomfortable to work with and for people with such opinions.
    • orphereus 59 minutes ago
      Wow. You should touch grass if you have this opinion.
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  • ankurdhama 45 minutes ago
    There is a solution to this problem of "AI going to kill everyone".

    - Create powerful AI but don't release it and keep it secret.

    - Ask this AI to create some sort of virus that can be delivered to every human in the world without them knowing it and this virus does a fundamental change to the human brain such that humans never ever could even think of hurting other humans.

    - Release this powerful AI to everyone.

    Will that work?

    • martheen 40 minutes ago
      You're assuming that the AI created solution (virus, cold fusion, etc) won't have unknown effects either due to incompetence or malice.
    • ccapitalK 43 minutes ago
      > ... this virus does a fundamental change to the human brain such that humans never ever could even think of hurting other humans.

      I do believe this is possible for a virus to achieve, I just don't think it's possible without killing the human.

      • bzzzt 31 minutes ago
        Well, killing someone is an effective way to prevent them from harming others.
    • jesseendahl 37 minutes ago
      Are you describing the plot to Pluribus?