11 comments

  • aliasxneo 1 minute ago
    I can imagine some "Hollywood hacker" scene where the guy steals an encrypted USB and proceeds to break into it.

    "How did you get the data?"

    "It was just an unencrypted SD card inside"

    Not very exciting, but I guess just as accurate as reality!

  • matheusmoreira 1 hour ago
    Does anyone actually trust these products? Always seemed like a terrible idea to me. The correct solution is to use free software cryptography on top of these things.
    • alright2565 56 minutes ago
      I've been required to use similar products due to government regulations. Personally I never trusted them, and I would have loved to take 15 minutes poking around in them, but it was the government who mandated their use for their data so ultimately it was out of my hands.
      • functionmouse 6 minutes ago
        That's just the thing; these devices aren't meant to be -good-, they're meant to check boxes.
    • Waterluvian 49 minutes ago
      The overwhelming majority of people who use USB sticks for things are likely aware of security and the concept of encryption. But the idea of being able to use “free software cryptography on top” may as well be a trip to Mars.
      • blooalien 44 minutes ago
        Most "normies" I know think that open source cryptography is less secure because it's "open" (if they even know open source cryptography is a thing at all). No amount of trying to explain to them how more eyes on the source code generally equals safer encryption will sway most of them in the slightest.
    • gruez 25 minutes ago
      >The correct solution is to use free software cryptography on top of these things.

      If implemented correctly, "hardware" encryption can be more secure than "free software cryptography". The most obvious benefit is protection against brute-attacks, which you can't meaningfully implement with software. Not to mention added protection of biometric authentication as a second factor, compared to typing a password into a possibly untrusted machine.

      • Sopel 1 minute ago
        you're not gonna brute force an AES256 key

        if you have a bad password that's a user issue

      • close04 15 minutes ago
        “Correctly” is a big caveat. Almost no HW implementation is auditable in any way.

        My baseline assumption is that even the good commercial products are only secure from a non-determined attacker, not TLAs. Anything safe from TLAs is what’s being sold only to them.

        • steelframe 2 minutes ago
          If you own an Android device, your disk encryption is most likely provided via a UFS/eMMC hardware component known as the "Inline Cryptographic Engine" (ICE). Reputable device manufacturers validate the ciphertext that these devices write out to storage in a test environment by running the plaintext through a software encryption process using the same encryption keys as the OS provides to the ICE. If the ciphertexts match, then it would be unlikely that the hardware encryption engine isn't doing its job right.
        • gruez 6 minutes ago
          >Anything safe from TLAs is what’s being sold only to them.

          I think you're overestimating how much backdoors there are in products vs actual bugs. As we've seen with with recent vulnerability disclosures, there's plenty of bugs that were put there unintentionally.

    • swinglock 24 minutes ago
      There's a guy with some Bitcoin that knows about a model, I'd trust that one.
    • jonathanstrange 20 minutes ago
      Software is insecure in many scenarios because endpoint security is abysmal. Of course, a USB stick with fingerprint reader cannot be secure but there is no way around hardware-based cryptography with independent key entry if you need real security. Then again, this won't help you if the secrets are transferred to the insecure endpoint anyway.
  • mzajc 1 hour ago
  • jagged-chisel 42 minutes ago
    Why a link to Reddit instead of the link to Tom’s Hardware?
  • judge2020 37 minutes ago
    Were semicolons in subheadings common before AI? This subheading of the TomsHardware article just seems very artificial:

    > The fingerprint only switched the USB connection on; nothing on the card was encrypted.

    • solyin 2 minutes ago
      Oh god dammit, I have to stop using semicolons now? That's stupid.
    • swinglock 26 minutes ago
      Not long ago it would have been an em dash.
    • Loughla 23 minutes ago
      I mean, it's a terrible subheading because it's way too long, but it's grammatically correct. It doesn't read like AI to me, why do you think it is?
      • pdpi 5 minutes ago
        The issue with AI-produced text is rarely bad grammar these days (if anything, that's a marker of human-written text now!), but rather stiff-sounding constructions that humans don't actually use. In this case — semicolons are grammatically correct, but very few people actually use them them (same for em-dashes like what I just used, but you can pry them from my cold, dead fingers).
  • nik282000 50 minutes ago
    Marketing wank made to sell e-waste to middle management.
  • untessela 35 minutes ago
    Can anyone find a product listing where this was actually for sale? I couldn't.
  • l0new0lf-G 26 minutes ago
    How much hardware and even software that is supposedly used for encryption is actually backdoored?

    We know that Microsoft's bitlocker had at least one backdoor. Lenovo's fingerprint USB also has backdoors.

    It seems like only open source solutions actually provide encryption, like LUKS and Veracrypt. Then again, who guarantees that the executables are actually build from the source? Or that the keys aren't somehow sent over to agencies by the operating system?

    TLDR, we cannot realistically trust anything in this dictatorship of mass surveillance.

    • gruez 22 minutes ago
      >We know that Microsoft's bitlocker had at least one backdoor

      Source? The closest I found was microsoft's key escrow system, but that's hardly a "backdoor" given it's publicly documented, and it's explicitly stated in no uncertain terms when you're setting it up[1]

      [1] https://static0.howtogeekimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

      • vel0city 8 minutes ago
        Look up YellowKey. Specifically crafted NTFS transaction logs would unlock any Bitlocker drive with transparent encryption. Some people believe it was an intentional backdoor, kind of a debated topic.

        I'm not 100% certain either way.

        • gruez 2 minutes ago
          >any Bitlocker drive with transparent encryption

          Which even microsoft admits is basically a LARP from a security point of view. It's better than nothing, but it's not meant to stand up against serious attacks. Even without the yellowkey exploit, it can be bypassed via interposer attacks on the TPM.

          https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/operating...

  • ctkhn 49 minutes ago
    Didn't expect something this crazy but I will not trust stuff like this until I've seen a teardown. Imagine being the product manager who approved this shit
    • pjmlp 29 minutes ago
      As things are, they probably don't even know there is a website called hacker news.
  • dpacmittal 42 minutes ago
    Just use veracrypt or ecrypt on any memory card. These devices don't deserve the premium they charge for on-device encryption which in this case is not even encyrypted
  • mytailorisrich 37 minutes ago
    Well it's called FU after all...